John Piper’s 10 Reasons Why Romans 7:14-25 Is About The Christian’s Experience

One of the most widely debated portions of Scripture in the history of biblical interpretation is, no doubt, that portion of Romans 7 in which Paul speaks of what has been commonly called “indwelling sin” in the life of a believer (Rom. 7:14-25). Many commentators have suggested, in light of what Paul said in chapter 6 and what he says in chapter 8, that Romans 7 cannot be Paul speaking about the ordinary experience of believers in this life. Insisting that a true believer could never say that he is presently “sold under sin,” we are told that this must be Paul continuing to speak of a pre-conversion experience. Others, agree that this cannot be a Christian experience, and so suggest that Paul is speaking redemptive-historically as one in union with Adam–the representative of all fallen men. Then there are some who say that Paul is speaking as an Old Covenant believer who had not yet experienced the full outpouring of the Spirit, which he would come to in Rom. 8 as the solution to the problem of chapter 7. Still others have said that it is not a statement about “the regenerate nor the unregenerate”–but the man who is under deep conviction of sin prior to converstion.1 Nevertheless, the opinion of Anselm, Augustine, John Calvin, John Owen, James Frazier, J.I. PackerJohn Murray, Sinclair Ferguson et al–that exegetically and experientially we must conclude that this is the Apostle speaking of the reality of  indwelling sin in believers in this life–is the most exegetically, experientially and historically satisfying to me.

In 2001, John Piper preached six sermons on this passage under the title, “Who Is This Divided Man?” In the last four of those sermons, Piper gave 10 reasons why he believed that we have to take this passage as speaking of the experience of the believer. Here are his 10 reasons (with abbreviated explanations):

1. Paul’s Use of First-Person Pronouns

The most natural way to understand Paul’s use of the first person “I” and the present tense, is that he is talking about himself and a part of his life that he experiences now as a believer. He uses “I” or “me” or “my” about 40 times in this text. And he explains his situation in the present tense all the way through: “I am of flesh . . . what I am doing, I do not understand . . . I do the very thing I do not want . . . I find then the principle that evil is present in me . . . For I joyfully concur with the law of God . . . with my mind I am serving the law of God . . .”

2. Paul Speaks of the Law as Only a Christian Could

Paul speaks about the Law of God in this passage in a way that sounds like the way a Christian believer would talk about it, not the way an unregenerate, non-Christian Jewish man would talk about it. I am thinking not just of him calling the law “good” (7:16) or even “spiritual” (7:14), but especially 7:22 when he says, “I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man.” It’s this phrase “inner man” that sounds so much like the way Paul talks about the Christian’s real, inner self. And when you put that together with the word “joyfully concur” (“I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man”) it sounds to me like Paul’s description of his present deep joy in the truth and law of God, not a carnal and superficial and ungodly joy that would be the experience of an unregenerate Pharisee. So it seems to me that Paul treats the law in this passage the way a believer would.

3. Paul’s Other Pre-Conversion Descriptions Do not Match Romans 7

And what about the description of Paul as a divided and sometimes tormented man in relation to the law? Does that fit with what we know about Paul before his conversion? No it doesn’t. Paul gives us a few glimpses of his pre-Christian life, and what we see there is anything but a man who is torn because of any perceived failures to live up to the law of God.

For example, in Galatians 1:13-14 he says,

For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it; 14 and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions.

So Paul saw his life before his conversion as a life of unrivaled zeal for the law and the traditions. He doesn’t give us any hint of torment or conflict or inner division as we see in Romans 7.

4. Paul Speaks of Himself as Only a Christian Could

Paul talks about himself in a way that I don’t think he would have talked about a person who is not a new creature in Christ – a person without faith and the Holy Spirit. The main verse that I have in mind here is Romans 7:18, “For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh.” Two things stand out in this statement. First, is the devastating self-assessment, “I know that nothing good dwells in me.” This does not sound like the self-confident pre-Christian Paul that said he was blameless before the law (Philippians 3:6). It sounds like what a broken-hearted and meek sinner might say who has been saved by grace alone and who knows that he was dead in trespasses and sin (Ephesians 2:5) and that “none is righteous, no not one” (Romans 3:10).

5. Peter as an Example of a Divided Man

We all know how Peter denied Christ three times. I don’t doubt that as we went away and wept bitterly he said something like, “O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this cowardly body of death?” But some might say, “Well, that was before the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and Peter did not have the full strength of the Spirit, and so it is not a fair example.

So let’s go onto another illustration from Peter’s life long after he was filled with the Spirit. In Galatians 2:11ff Paul describes a failure of Peter that was so serious Paul had to rebuke him in public.

6. A Divided You

Argument # 6 is that in Galatians 5:17 Paul uses language very close to Romans 7, but everyone agrees that in Galatians it is a description of Christian experience. He is talking to Christians who have the Holy Spirit and yet who also have another power at work in them. He calls it the flesh. He says in verse 17, “The flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that [now here comes the language of Romans 7] you may not do the things that you please.”

Notice this carefully. Paul does not merely talk about Spirit opposing flesh and flesh opposing Spirit – as though we somehow were innocent bystanders watching the battle happen. No, he does the same thing that he does in Romans 7and talks about a divided you. So at the end of Galatians 5:17 he says, “you do not do the things that you please (i[na mh. a] eva.n qe,lhte tau/ta poih/te).” You want to do one thing. You do another thing. There is a divided will. I think this is the very experience of Romans 7. In Galatians, it is the experience of the Christian person who has the Holy Spirit. So this is argument # 6 that Romans 7 is Christian experience.

7. Sin as a Slave Master

It is not impossible that Paul could speak of a Christian as temporarily “sold under sin.” Paul doesn’t have to be saying that the person who sins moves from being a Christian to being a non-Christian. He may only be saying that in the moment of failure, sin got the upper hand, like a slave master temporarily getting control of a person who is not really his.

Isn’t this exactly what Paul warns against in Romans 6:12? He says to Christians, “Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts.” In other words, since you are not really slaves of sin and sin will not have dominion over you, therefore act like it. Stay free. Don’t give sin any victories as an alien slave master. Don’t sell yourself to sin! But the assumption seems to be: We might for a season “let sin reign,” that is, give in to the old slave master.

8. The Body of This Death

Some would ask, “Can a real Christian cry out with the words of verse 24b, ‘Who will set me free from the body of this death?’ Is a Christian trapped or enslaved or imprisoned in a ‘body of death'”? My answer to this is: “Can a real Christian NOT cry out, ‘Who will set me free from the body of this death?'”

Of course the cry is accompanied by the answer to the cry in the following words in verse 25, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!” In other words, God will set me free from the body of this death. And he will do it through Jesus Christ our Lord.

9. The Law of Sin and Death

When Paul says in Romans 7:23 that the “law of sin” takes him captive, and then says in Romans 8:2 that the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set him free from the law of sin, I think he means that the defeat and captivity of Romans 7:23 is not his chief or final condition. The Spirit has set him free from the “law of sin” as the decisive, final power to defeat and destroy him. The Spirit often gives him the victory. And increasingly gives him the victory. And in the end will give him the final victory. And he cannot be destroyed by the “law of sin” because the back of the enemy has been broken. His head has been severed from his body. We fight him as we fight a defeated foe. And in Christ Jesus who has bought the victory we will win.

10. The Sober Summary of Verse 25b

Argument #10 is that Paul’s shout of victory in verse 25a, “Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord,” is not a signal that he has moved to a new, triumphant kind of life above the battles and losses of Romans 7. Instead this shout of hope is followed by a sober, realistic summary of everything we have seen, namely that Paul, the Christian, is both a new man and an old man. He is both indwelt by the Spirit and harassed by the flesh. He is freed from the dominion of sin and indwelt by remaining corruption. This will be his lot until he dies or until Christ comes. That is the Biblical realism of Romans 7.

But let’s think more closely about this last part of verse 25: “So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.” What kind of life is Paul describing here? He is not describing a life that only has failureor only has success. His point here is not how successful he is, or how often he is triumphant or defeated. He is only saying that these two realities exist in him and they explain why he and other Christians are not perfect. The culprit is not the law of God. The culprit is theflesh. Or what he calls in verses 17 and 20, “indwelling sin.” Or what he calls in verse 21, the “evil that is present with me.”


1. Martyn Lloyd-Jones Exposition of Chapter 7:1-8:4: The Law: Its Functions and Limits (Edinburgh: Banner of Truth Trust, reprinted 2010) pp. 176-257

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  3. I agree. It is undoubtedly about the Christian Experience.
    Australia’s Geoffrey Bingham also taught this to be the case.
    It came as such good news…to the sheer relief of many.

    In a theological biography, Martin Bleby writes:

    “Geoffrey makes reference to the Scottish preacher Alexander 
    Whyte  (1836–1921),  who  told  his  congregation more  than  once: 
    ‘You’ll  never  get  out  of  the  seventh  of  Romans  while  I’m  your 
    minister!’.  This  is  because  Geoffrey  realised  that,  in  all  his 
    eighty‐eight years, Romans 7 had  remained as  true of him as it 
    ever was.”

    (see Martin Bleby, ‘A Quiet Revival’, p. 313, free as a PDF file)

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  5. Thanks very much for this explanation on Romans 7 … I have tried and tried and tried to be as good as I can be, and yet continue to fail … I am so glad this topic is in The Bible for it gives me hope …

  6. Mickey Lax

    There is a reason that Paul didn’t feel all torn up inside. He is from a collective culture. He didn’t have the same feelings of guilt that we experience in the U.S. He felt more of a shame. So that idea is not really convincing.

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  9. LYdia mcloughlin South Australia

    Yes this is my experience, and I am always relieve to have the scriptures to remind me until I enter heaven I will battle with the flesh but in the process Christ accept me this is grace this is the good news for us all.

  10. Andrew

    I don’t believe Paul is talking about his currant condition, as in: under The Law of Spirit of God (the new law Paul introduces in Romans 8 that frees us from “the Law of sin and death”). The main point of Romans 6 is to say that we are FREE from “the law of sin and death”. Now just before Romans 7:14 Paul talks about how the Law of God (Old Convenant) is good, though it cannot save us, and even gave sin the opportunity to grow beyond measure.

    Romans 7:14 begins with saying “The Law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh sold under sin”. Paul cannot be talking about his current condition. He just explained in depth, we are no longer slaves to sin. He must be talking about his condition under the law (not the Law of the Spirit of God); explaining why the Law of God cannot save him. “I desire to do what is right, but am unable to carry it out”, this is not a man under the Law of the Spirit of God. This is not a man freed from the “Law of sin and death” where Christ has condemned sin in the flesh. Our current condition gives us the ability to follow the command: “do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies” in Romans 6; the condition Paul is explaining does not.

    Why is this important enough to discuss on this thread? Because we ARE FREE. We are free…to struggle. There is still struggle, but we have been given power to overcome it.

    A mindset that says “I will fail eventually” will most certainly fail. A mindset that says “I am DEAD to sin.” Is empowered to overcome temptation. A future death does not free us from sin, being baptized into Christ’s death does.

    I am young and have much to learn. I can be wrong. BUT! Youth does not disqualify truth. Test this, and holdfast to what is good.

    1. Ted

      Amen Andrew,
      We are supposed to run the race as to win it. To take Paul as a slave to sin is to be defeated before we even start the race.

  11. Christina

    Romans 7 & 8 can be understood better, if we know that we have an inner man and outer man.

    We have an Inner Man and Outer Man ( 2 Corinthians 4:16)

    Inner Man — — Spirit ( or Mind)
    Outer Man — — Body ( or Flesh)

    Romans 7 explains the condition of our Inner Man and Outer Man when we are Born Again.


    Condition of our inner man:
    1. Our Spirit which was dead in sins is made alive ( Ephesians 2:1)
    2. Our inner man is made righteous.
    3. Our inner man delights in the law of God ( Romans 7:22)
    4. Our inner man desires to do good and hates to do evil ( Romans 7: 15,18,19)

    Condition of our Outer Man:
    The Outer Man or Body has sinful nature in its members.
    This outer man is our fleshly nature.

    Inner Man — Righteous
    Outer Man — sinful

    So the Inner Man wants to do good ( these are our spiritual desires)
    But the Outer Man does evil things ( our sinful actions)

    We wish to do good. But end up doing evil. (Romans 7:15)
    The Spirit and Flesh are in conflict with each other ( Galatians 5:17)

    Before we accepted Christ our inner man and outer man were both sinful and hence they both were in unison and there was no conflict.

    But when we accept Christ into our heart, our inner man is transformed and hence this conflict begins.

    Paul recognises this transformation of his inner man.
    He thanks God for transforming his inner man or mind

    I thank God ……..with the mind I serve the law of God,
    but with the flesh the law of sin (Romans 7:25)


    After the initial struggle, Paul understood that Christ had freed him from the law of sin on the cross

    Paul goes on to say in Romans 8: 2,3
    The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh.

    The Law could not remove the fleshly nature in us. But God removed the fleshly nature in us by sending His Son. When Christ died on the cross, our old sinful man was also crucified along with Him (Romans 6:6) When Christ rose up again, our new man indwelt by God’s Spirit rose up with Him.

    When we recognise and believe this truth, the old sinful man becomes powerless and our new man indwelt by God comes into operation.

    The Spirit of God dwells in us and we are no longer under the control of the flesh. Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
    (Romans 8:9, Galatians 5:16)

  12. Pastor Tom Eckstein

    I agree with the 10 points of Piper. Now, if you want to dig REALLY DEEP into the history of the interpretation of Romans 7:14-25, obtain and read this book:


    After thorough research, Middendorf asserts that Romans 7:14-25 is, indeed, describing life as a CHRISTIAN – and that even though we daily battle with the desires of our sinful nature, we have the victory in Christ!

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